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In chronological order, mostly for my own reference as I try to timeline a timeline of the events that timeline.
The Eye of the World
Elaida gives a fortelling, but Rand is the only one to hear the last part, that he stands at the heart of all that is to come.
For being one of the few fandoms that I haven’t witnessed fighting, or putting other people down for liking certain aspects of the story, ships, etc. honestly an feeling so bummed out about being involved in the Teen Wolf and Vampire Diaries fandoms ( and Doctor Who and supernatural too) because there is so much hate that goes on for a variety of reasons (some of it is justified, but it gets to a hostile level) and it is so fucking exhausting and makes me so depressed to see so much hostility directed towards things I love so much. It is a breath of fresh air to go on the Wheel of Time tag and see lovely headcannons, AUs, and role playing interactions. It really brightens my day after seeing so much negativity on my dash. So thank you guys. You rock! :)
I hope WOT fandom never witnessed such drama.
*********SPOILERS UP TO THE COMPLETION OF BOOK FIVE***************
I would also like to mention that this is my first time reading the series so PLEASE for the love of God do not attach any spoilers for the rest of this series to this post.
This book was really well written, with many interesting plot developments and twists throughout, especially in the second half. Rand is forced to make many interesting choices under pressure, and we really start to see the “madness” of his past lives coming to haunt his every move.
All the characters show some sort of progression, even Nynaeve (who up to this point was definitely the weakest developed character), EXCEPT for Egwene - who is now my least favorite female main character on the Light side. If anything, she actually lost maturity, taking advantage of her training with the Wise Ones to hold that knowledge over the heads of her friends (Nynaee and Elayne) and chose to basically scare them and humiliate them into bending to her will because she had more knowledge about the Dream World. Inventing those horrible man-monster things to scare Nynaeve out of Dreaming without permission? Unforgivable. Sitting around, planning what next to say to Nynave so she could keep control of her dominance? Childish. Egwene thinks she has become so much closer to Aes Sedai calmness, and yet she’s still so immature. She has a lot of growing to do in these upcoming books.
Nynaeve however became more believable of a person than she ever has before. Before this book, she was a one-sided stubborn person who would never admit to doing any wrong, EVER. However, with the introduction of Moghedien and having her truest fears be realized, she finally admits that she is afraid and has weaknesses and deserves to be yelled at sometimes. Her entire encounter with the almost-death of Birgette made her pretty humble for a while, even though most of what happened wasn’t even her fault. Plus she shows a genuine sisterly fondness for the protection of Elayne, and the scenes with her at the circus were just really funny and well done. I’d be afraid if Birgette was shooting arrows at my head, too. Plus she fought very bravely in the end at the Andor Castle, and she healed all those poor refugees on the boat… for the first time, I liked Nynaeve.
hey i wanna read the post Fantasy, Feminism, and The Wheel of Time but i haven't finished the books yet im only up to The Shadow Rising. Does the post have any spoilers or is it just general discussion?
It is mostly general discussion. There are minor spoilers (as new characters) and one which is on first sight a major spoiler (Morgase), but it isn’t fact actually. I can recommend you to read it but still some people don’t like any kind of spoilers.
I’ll be the first to say that Robert Jordan, rest his soul, had some pretty weird sexual politics. From his work, he seemed to firmly believe that men and women could never truly understand each other. Many of his female protagonists are varying shades of shrill, bratty, vindictive, pushy know-it-alls, about whom the boys constantly moan and whine in their inability to understand them. There’s been a lot of discussion in the YA community about unlikeable characters and debate about whether or not a female protagonist needs to be likeable (though the definition of what is unlikeable is often subject to debate). For me, when I was reading The Wheel of Time in my teens and early twenties, characters like Elayne and Nynaeve were as frustrating and unlikeable as they came. Katsa? Katniss? Sansa? Cersei? They don’t hold a candle to the burning hatred I felt for these women, but they’ve also never managed to capture my admiration in the same way. And you know what? Looking back, they’re awesome.
That’s a great story.
Responding to your last point, for what it’s worth:
Yes, people’s opinions often do change over time, so there will be readers who don’t hold exactly the same view of WOT that they did 20 years ago.
But there generally isn’t consensus amongst readers as to what they think of a particular story. Female readers are no different in that regard. People have different opinions to each other; they consider different things to be important and will interpret books differently. Some will praise aspects of the story that others will critique. That, I suspect, has not changed.
Yes, I agree with you. But it’s just funny comparing sexist accusations to the unbelief that RJ is a pen name for man. It seems WOT have everything for everyone. (not big news for some of us)
The Shadow Rising (chapter 39, “A Cupful of Wine”).
I like Thom’s defence of Morgase and the way it’s not tinged by any bitterness due to their history. Not that I would expect him to be unfair and bitter - it was a long time ago and he’s moved on, and even if he hadn’t, he’d be careful about what he said to Elayne about her mother. However, it’s interesting that he is defends Morgase vehemently and speaks highly of her. He could have just said something along the lines of “How dare you talk about your mother that way!” But he doesn’t.
And what he says is exactly what Elayne needs to hear. Morgase is a person. Elayne’s struggling to accept that, because she’s used to seeing Morgase as her mother and queen, perfect and powerful, and feels this new knowledge of her mother reveals Morgase as something less. It doesn’t. It just means Morgase is also a person, like everyone else, and no one’s personal life is perfect and shiny all the time.
That said, I don’t think Elayne’s just throwing a childish temper-tantrum. (Or even the tantrum of fangirl seeing her favourite ‘ship sink - Elayne was definitely a Morgase/Gareth shipper). Morgase’s relationships do affect Elayne. Thom was a father-figure, and because his relationship with Morgase ended, Elayne lost him. Then Gareth was a father-figure, or an almost-father-figure, someone Elayne wanted to be able to claim as her stepfather, and now it looks like she’s lost him too. There’s some genuine grief in her outburst, not just unnecessary angst.
One more reason to love Thom and his fair judgement without revenge though he is still under death sentence by Morgase.
The Eye of the World
Perin was never one to “moon over” a map like Rand and Mat.
Given that Rand and Mat apparently spent hours mooning over maps, how come they never noticed the Two Rivers were part of Andor.
The Gathering Storm.
This important information about Mesaana is erased in the Bulgarian translation.
“Verin said, settling back on the bed, arranging the pillow behind her streaked brown hair. “The process of making those oaths to the Great Lord was … distinctive. I do wish I’d been able to discover one more tidbit for you. One of the Chosen is in the Tower, child. It’s Mesaana, I’m certain of it. I had hoped to be able to bring you the name she was hiding under, but the two times I met with her, she was shrouded to the point that I couldn’t tell. What I did see is recorded in the red book.”
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